SHOWING : April 29, 2005 - May 01, 2005
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Thursday, May 5, 2005 ||
I have been apart of this company since I was a 10th grader. I'm now in college and have been able to expeirence a different world and life of the theatre. I agree with you that the show had it's fault's no show is perfect. But as I was reading I noticed that you said that some need vocal and acting lessons. The thing is CCT is a theatre company but it's also a family. When kids, or teens want to audition we let them in wether they are talented or not it doesn't matter to us. That's what makes us a family... We aren't a theatre company where you have to be perfect or as talented as some theatre companies, CCT is a chance for you to step out of your box and expeirence life and the world of theatre. Some of the youth that was involed in this show yes want to make a carrer in this, so yes they should take themselves to outside lessons. But CCT is to have fun, and yes we are there to put on a show, but thats not what we're ALL about.|
I was an audience member and I myself enjoyed it. Like I said before I think there was it's faults but all shows have that. This was I think one of CCT best, but I would have to agree with that it is a 3.5 out of a 5. There was some technical and performance faults, but then I look and see the emotion they have behind it and the love for theatre and CCT and (me watching it 3 times) came to tears every show because of seeing that.
While I was reading some more I noticed that you blutly told Ben (Daddy Warbucks) that he didn't hit his notes very well. I think that was rude and uncalled for. He is 18 and if you read his bio he clearly stated that this was his first big role as an actor/ singer. And for you to just crush someone like that was immature. You could of stated that in a more polite way and still make your point across even IF he was so called "asking for it." For you to call you self a critic, you don't say stuff like that, there is a matture and more positive approach. I personally don't know Ben at all, but I thought he did a fine job, seeing how this was his first big role.
Thank you for you time.
*It was good to see so many talented people on the stage. Thomas you made me laugh! [POST A COMMENT REGARDING THIS REVIEW]
| || with all due respect, get a thicker skin by Okely Dokely|
| If you think, or he thinks, that somebody saying he didn't hit his notes very well or was weak vocally is "crushing" him, then maybe you're a little too thin-skinned for this hobby/profession. I'm looking around at what Molly said about the Daddy Warbuck's performance, and it looks pretty constructive to me and I thought she made it clear several times that she still enjoyed this person's performance. I quote what Molly said:|
"Daddy Warbucks was alright, a little weak vocally, but still enjoyable through most of it."
"Note to Daddy Warbucks: please remember that even though I didn't think you were great vocally, I still overall enjoyed your performance."
So what's the problem?
| || and my opinion for you... by Parrott65|
| I read the entire posting regarding this issue and found that "Daddy Warbucks" was very receptive and understanding of the criticism he received. The reason for this is, the criticism was very well delivered and was NOT, as you said, "uncalled for" or "rude". The fact that he IS 18 years old, shows why he is mature enough to handle those type of comments (perhaps you are not?).|
| || Thin skin by katiehut|
| I don't consider myself to have "thin skin" I think it's called a HEART. |
| || Thin skin by katiehut|
| I don't consider myself to have "thin skin" I think it's called a HEART. |
| || To Parrot65 by katiehut|
| My opinions are my opinions you can take it or leave it with what I have to say. I didn't ask for your opinions about myself, that wasn't that topic. I just simply stated that I felt that the way Ben was told about his vocal abilities was rude. It's my opinion. Let's just leave it at that.|
| || by Okely Dokely|
| I'm just confused as to what struck you as rude or uncalled for regarding Molly's comments on Daddy Warbucks. I thought if she had been any more polite, she'd be Mr. Rogers or Ned Flanders.|
| || to O.D.~ Opinion's MY Opinion's by katiehut|
| It was just my opinion. Yes he's 18 and can handle it, but seeing how CCT doesn't truely focus on talent it's about learning and being there and having a place for teenagers where they all fit in and are considered equal. That's what makes us a family and seeing other theatre companies around Georgia that I have experienced I haven't seen that. That's why CCT is great and will always be a family not just a "theatre company." So critizing Daddy Warbucks I felt that a little to strong I'm not saying he was perfect either but I felt it was a little strong that's all. It's my opinion, call me thin skin or whatever but when you experience CCT through the inside I think you would agree with me.|
| || Thanks "Okely" by Molly|
| Thanks "Okely". I don't feel bad for the way I worded my comments about Daddy Warbucks performance or feel that they were rude. If your going to give a review and not be honest, what good is it? However, I do have to admit that I feel bad for the way I worded the requested review of the actress who played Grace Farrell. In fact, I tried to edit my comments, but couldn't get them to go through. Rather than telling her that I'm not sure that she hit any of the notes on key, I feel that it would have been better stated that it was just quite pitchy. So, I do apologize for that one. All of the rest, still stands. Sorry.|
| || point taken, but... by Okely Dokely|
| You're right, I've never done anything at CCT. However, let me just throw this out - the name of this site is theaterreview.com, which is nothing more than what Molly was doing. Reviewing theatre. I thought Molly had some valuable and constructive things to say, and she could've said it a lot worse. I'm not sure specifically what you thought was too harsh, but you're entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine. Thanks for keeping this civil.|
| || Amen Mark.. by Parrott65|
| Preach on, my main man!!! That's the whole point. This IS a review website. I guess some folks tend to forget that....|
| || Okely has a point by JasonMeinhardt|
| Also, I believe this was brought up about a production in the past. If you don't want to subject yourself and your production to review on this site, then don't put it on here. Its simple. If you put it on here and you have someone who, familiar with the site, comes to see the show, then I'm sorry, you have to be ready for a review: sometimes glowing, sometimes a little on the negative side. Either way, read it (or don't), learn from it, take it for what its worth, and MOVE ON!|
"Maybe" a 3.5|
Saturday, April 30, 2005 ||
This show was a mixed bag of some very good vocals and acting and some of the worst I've seen recently on stage. Therefore, I guess I'll balance it out to a 3. If I could give half points, I'd give a 3.5. Charli Cohen as Annie was excellent and without her, the show would have probably faltered. She is obviously tremendously well trained vocally. Her acting was a little weak. but not at all bad. Other standouts were Emily Alexander as Ms. Hannigan and Adam Hoyak as Rooster. Their vocals and acting were superior. All of the orphans were adorable and just as they should be. Daddy Warbucks was alright, a little weak vocally, but still enjoyable through most of it. Great sets and costumes as well, although one complaint I have is that Annie should always come down the stairs when she appears in her red dress and wig, not from the wings. Having her enter from the wings definitely lost the effect that that scene could have had, especially when there were stairs available in the "New Deal for Christmas" scene. Now, for the bad. To say the rest of the vocals in the show were atrocious would be an understatement. They were incredibly painful at times. It was like the music director must have just told the cast to pick a note, any note. Some of the solos were so bad that it brought down the quality of the really good performances of those already mentioned, which is why I had to balance the rating to a 3. [POST A COMMENT REGARDING THIS REVIEW] |
| || Charli's voice teacher by Okely Dokely|
| Charli and I have the same voice teacher, so I take a compliment about her vocal training as an indirect compliment toward my vocal training, so thanks!|
| || I Know! by Molly|
| She's the Best!|
| || Illegal Video Selling of Performance? by Molly|
| I meant to include this in my review, but will add it as a comment. Something else that bothered me was that this theatre had for sale videos and DVDs of the performance. I could be misinformed, but in my theatre experience, I thought that this was a violation of copyright laws. If it is, they were very blatant about it since there was a manned table for their ordering.|
| || Video very very bad by cowbcurly|
| It is against Copyright laws! Plus, every contract from an authors agent such as Music Theatre International, or Samual French expressly forbids vidio or audio recording.Big No No! Even when you don't sell the tapes to the public. Get caught taping at all and those guys will come after you! Didn't Neighboorhood Playhouse get caught a few years back?|
| || Other characters? by auchenpaughamanda|
| Any comments on other characters? I played Grace Farrell and I am looking for feedback. Thanks!|
| || Regarding the tapes by Tenbosto|
| The parents who filmed it are selling it on the basis that it costs however much they are charging to manufacture the DVD/VHS copy of their recording of it, and aren't affiliating themselves with CCT. I can't pretend to know whether or not that is legal, but as I understand it, that's how they are avoiding copyright infringements. |
As for the singing, I agree that our performance (I was Daddy Warbucks, by the way) was not as good as it could have been, but you should really take into account that every single one of our songs were scored completely out of our ranges. I know that I personally had to expand my range by four notes just to be able to hit some of the notes demanded of me. It almost would have been easier if our music director had had us pick a note, because at least then we would be singing at a comfortable key. I especially feel for the orphans who had to do a ton of rigorous vocal work to hit their notes, and add all the choreographing. I also feel for Burt Healy, who worked so hard to be able to sing his song (“Never Fully Dressed Without a Smile”) and then got sick the day we opened. He also got quite a number of us sick by Sunday.
It also would have been physically impossible for Charli to have come down the stairs for that scene for a large number of reasons. We wanted it to work, but it couldn’t. I agree that it would have been nice though.
| || Still Incredibly Illegal by Molly|
| It is still incredibly illegal for this to have been video taped and sold, regardless of who was doing it. Actually, I checked with someone who is very experienced as a director in Atlanta theatre and she confirmed this. Because of it being sold in the lobby, the leadership of this group could not deny that they had knowledge of the selling and would be held liable for this as would the parents who were selling them. As to the vocal range of the songs, this is why proper casting as to vocal part and good vocal training is so important. A good vocal teacher can help you expand your range where you can safely reach notes that are otherwise beyond your range. That is why Charli is as good vocally as she is (and Okely also). As for the actress who wanted reviewed on her character. I'm trying to be as gentle, but yet honest about this review. Please see above about vocal training. I'm not sure that you hit a note on key. Also, there are also alot of good places, like the Alliance, for acting lessons. Sorry to be so brutal, but you asked. But the good news is that you weren't as far off the notes as "Star-to-Be". The interesting thing about Theater Review is that if you give something a bad review or a mixed review, people take offense. But if you review only the good stuff, then people say that it's a cop-out. Note to Daddy Warbucks: please remember that even though I didn't think you were great vocally, I still overall enjoyed your performance.|
| || as for the score being out of your ranges... by mooniemcmoonster|
| i know from working with several fabulous muscial directors they can switch up keys for you and transpose the songs into a better key for you...however, since i haven't seen the show i don't know if you guys were working with a live band or canned music. transposing songs shouldn't be terribly difficult.|
| || canned music is also illegal by cowbcurly|
| I often wander if producers ever even read their contracts. every contract I have ever signed for a musical states that live music must be used. That eliminates Karaoke tapes....MTI does offer orchestrations on tape but it is so expensive it is out of most theatres budget range. |
| || cowbcurly...about "canned" music... by mooniemcmoonster|
| what about if you have the score and record the entire thing yourself, but onto a cd? that's not technically a karaoke tape if you created it yourself using the score that you're renting from teh company.|
| || this is just my guess... by Okely Dokely|
| but I have a feeling "live music must be used" means "live music must be used."|
| || Hello! by cowbcurly|
| A taped piano recording would be an audio recording of the score that your contract prohibits. Plus, most contracts do state that shows must be performed with live accompaniment. Read your contract front and back.They can come after the theatre and individuals like the director or musical director.|
| || okay here's another question... by mooniemcmoonster|
| let's say that all of the orchestration was recorded, however its on a machine which allows for someone playing the piano on said machine to provide live accompaniment...so the orchestration will follow you. someone is actually playing the piano part live. it sounds weird, i know. and i'm not sure how much sense i'm making, but there are such machines out there.|
| || another answer by cowbcurly|
| some houses like MTI will be glad to rent you those orchestrations. Again you have to read your contract or have your lawyer look at it. Ask for permission from the rental house before you do anything other than whats in your contract.Did you know Rodgers and Hammerstien requires that you save them two seats to each and every performance you contract? If they request them you got to let em in!|
They do occasionally check up on people. Yeah it's like an IRS audit....it probably won't happen but you better be ready when it does!
| || well... by mooniemcmoonster|
| i was talking about if you had some super-fancy synthesizer that allows you to layer and record different "instruments" to the keyboard and then leaving the piano part out, so you have a live accompaniest who is controling the tempo of all the orchestration, but all of the other orchestration had been previously recorded by you onto that machine. |
| || To Molly by Tenbosto|
| Honestly, I haven't taken any offense from your criticism. In fact, it’s helpful to know what to work on. I was just pointing out the difficulties we faced. Only around five or six guys showed up for the auditions, and three of them were little boys. There just wasn’t a big enough pool of actors. Most of our male parts were dragged in with only a couple weeks left before opening night. Our Justice Brandies was brought in with only a couple days to learn his lines. It was my first time ever singing or acting a part more than a few lines, so I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that I wasn’t exactly top quality. Hey, we’ve all got to start somewhere, eh? ;)|
To mooniemcmoonster, our musical director was a college student who didn’t happen to show up for a lot of the rehearsals and wasn’t very compromising with the scoring (because she didn’t know how to do it). We all made repeated requests to re-score it, but, alas, our pleas went unheeded.
| || Feedback!! by auchenpaughamanda|
| I would still like some feedback! And honestly, it isn't the actors choice whether the music gets transposed or not. We requested it, and I know it's not that hard, because I am a musician. We also requested sevral other changes be made to the songs. They accepted none of it.|
Some feedback on my performance would be great; I'd love to know what I should work on! Thanks!
| || um... by Okely Dokely|
| Molly gave you some feedback already. Look a few posts up in the "still incredibly illegal" post.|
| || sorry by auchenpaughamanda|
| Yes, I saw it...sorry... But I would also like something more specific than "get acting lessons." I mean, if you're such an expert, as you seem to be, then I'm sure you can offer something more than "sing on key" (which I think it was our orchestra off key...not to mention we couldn't hear them...and I was singing the best I can, and the exact way our coach told me to. But opinions are opinions.) and "get acting lessons." So, specifics?|
| || Further Comments by Molly|
| To be more specific, Grace's line delivery was just very monotone, very little emotion through most of it. Actually I don't think that it was the orchestra who was off-key as Charli stayed on key extremely well which especially impressed me since she was able to do so with so many people around her being off-key. Again, vocal training is extremely important. Not only can it help you learn to sing on pitch, it can teach you proper technique to not damage your vocal chords. I know a young girl who actually played Annie several years ago, but had improper training. She ended up developing nodules and had to have surgery. Now, unfortunately she will never be able to sing again, and she is only about 14 or 15 now. I wouldn't be surprised that "Star-to-Be" will have the same problem because she was screaming her solo, not singing it.|
| || In Regard to Guy Shortage at Audition by Molly|
| In reference to Daddy Warbucks comment about the lack of guys who auditioned: I wouldn't be surprised that the lack of attendance at auditions had something to do with the fact that this theatre charges a $70 registration fee before you can audition. Most reputable area actors, even young ones, aren't willing to do this when they can audition without a fee elsewhere. If the theater is so desperate for money, they might charge the fee after casting and call it a costume fee or space rental fee. I think they would be more successful in attracting talented people from which to choose.|
| || Thank you by ThomasByrd|
| Thank you Molly and everyone for the criticism of our recent show.|
I was Bundles and Harold Ickes in the show, and it was probably my solo in the "Cabinet Tommorow" that didn't make you think much Musically of our show.
In our defense (Not to say that I am offended), the music coach for this show was, in my opinion, not helpful, and would often put many of the actors, including myself, down. Also, many of the songs in Act 2 were not rehearsed as much as they should've been, as I know, the Cabinet Tommorow was worked on no more than 4 times.
Thank you for supporting the show, and for your comments.
Feel free to contact me via E-Mail: MovieMadMan2004@aol.com, or via AIM: Dramatic World about my performance.
I hope that the next show, Seussical, will be much better Musically.
| || Conclusion by auchenpaughamanda|
| Well, I thank you for your feedback, and I will work on not being as monotone. I found it odd, considering I am a very emotional person and all the pictures I've seen of the show I seem very emotional, but to each his own. All in all, the audience seemed to absolutely adore our show and were enthralled throughout the performance, from what I could tell. And doing something that has meaning, giving us the feeling like we had this past weekend, and making the audience go wild is what theatre is all about, in my opinion. And if theatre ever ceases to be that for me, I'm out.|
| || by Girl|
I'm sorry, but I have to comment. I think it's great that you wanted more feedback about your performance, but if you're going to ask for it you should be willing to accept it without making excuses (no matter how valid those excuses may be). To downplay the reviewer's opinion by saying "each to his own" puts less value in an opinion that you personally pushed to have heard. Congratulations on entertaining your audience; that is wonderful. But please, learn to accept criticism, (not to be redundant, but...) especially when you ask for it repeatedly.
| || I have to agree with Girl.... by JasonMeinhardt|
| ...that if you receive a specific review or critique of your performance AFTER asking for it, then why make the excuses? Just take the criticism for what its worth, thank them (since you asked), and use them in the future.|
Also, I didn't know Cobb still charged a fee. That is something I have never understood. What is the reason behind that?
| || why would you pay $70?! by andy|
| I have always appreciated feedback from people and reviewers, however, if I want specifics for things I can work on, that is what acting coaches are for. I think maybe the $70 "fee" would be better invested in acting lessons. No offense, but who in their right mind would A: charge $70 for people to audition, and B: pay $70 to audition. This has to be wrong.|
| || About the $70 Dollars... by ThomasByrd|
| The way it works is, you pay $70 to audition, but it also guarentees you a role in the show. Why would people pay it? B/c CCT is one of the most amazing experiences that you can have. It's very welcoming, and you always come out feeling good about yourself, and the production.|
And why do they charge it? B/c CCT is a non-profit company, and the money is needed for various things such as costumes, rental space, space and the Civic Center, sets, and much much more.
Sure, you can pay $70 dollars for acting lessons, or you can pay $70 dollars for friends for a lifetime, crew/tech expierience, acting, teaching, performing, and much much more.
| || About About The 70 Dollars by Girl|
| OR you could audition at other not-for-profit theaters, know that it is pretty likely you will get a part due to low turn-out, know that you got the part not because you bought your way in, and have friends for a lifetime, crew/tech experience, acting, teaching, performing, and much much more, plus save $70.|
Please remember that there are tons of great not-for-profit community theaters in the area who find other ways of getting their money than exploiting their talent.
| || by ThomasByrd|
| Exploiting the talent? I would never go that far to call it explotation. |
And, you can choose to go to one of those low-turn out non-profit theaters, but also, that low-turn out also has low-talent actors.
It doesn't really even matter. Pay if you want, or just don't audition. It's practically like everything else in life. It costs money. Sports cost money, and other theater companies without "Registration fees" hack up ways for you to fess up money.
| || ENOUGH ABOUT THE REG. FEE by RzAlexander|
| its 70$ because we need money for sets, costumes, space rental, ect. and its not a problem to us, the actors, because we're glad to help out our theater. i'll agree that our voice couch was not at all top quality. do you have any REAL feedback about the orphans? ((i played duffy)) please? And thank you again for the criticism of our recent show.|
| || using the money for training would be a good idea, too by Okely Dokely|
| You can't go through your entire acting career only getting roles because you bought your way in.|
| || Buying your way in? by ThomasByrd|
| I simply don't think that that is the case at all.|
By paying the $70 all that guarentees you is a position in the show. It doesn't guarentee lines, stage time, or anything of that sort. If you call it "Buying your way in", then paying to play baseball, or anyother sport is just the same.
I, myself, don't see anything wrong with it. For the past 30 years, parents are willing to pay, and they do. I can see all of ya'lls arguements, but then again...How many of you could even be in a CCT production? Have children?
| || "You can't go through your entire acting career only getting roles because by ThomasByrd|
| "You can't go through your entire acting career only getting roles because you bought your way in." Okely-Dokely...|
But, this isn't what CCT is about! Most kids at CCT are looking for a good time...an expierience, not somewhere to become a star! Yes, many kids in CCT do have aspirations to become celebrities, but CCT is not their main way to showcase this. Anyone who thinks community theater is a ticket to fame is just absolutly retarded.
| || To ThomasByrd by JasonMeinhardt|
| After this comment, I will suggest moving this to the forum. I have a small comment to ThomasByrd: looking back at the comments and questions regarding the $70 fee, no attacks were made. We were asking questions. You have to understand that we, as actors, work hard enough to get to a point where we are PAID for what we do. I have been fortunate to have worked professionally for a while now. Sure, I will do shows for no pay or small stipends because I am constantly wanting to keep my feet wet and challenge myself and I personally take a lot of offense to your comment about other theaters that have "low talent". If you guys CHOOSE to pay the money and guarantee yourself a spot in the show, then so be it. Its your decision. All we have said is: we won't. We were just trying to understand the motive behind it. You explained it. However, you started on a defensive and started criticizing other theaters in town and their talent and THAT, I have a problem with. And to say that you won't EVENTUALLY make it beyond community theater to the "big time"...well, I am sure Tom Hanks would disagree with you. :) I have heard about the audition charge and have always said, if I PAY YOU to be in a show, I am going to TELL YOU what part I'm going to play. :) I say it with a light heart, but its somewhat true. I just had to open it up to you, Thomas (and it has been asked already): why not work somewhere where you can just audition (which is an educational process as well), and work to get the role or the show, and POSSIBLY get paid (or small stipend). But I guess that's just me...sort of.|
| || still absurd by andy|
| I'm sorry but I do think it's absurd to pay or charge money to be in a show. I have worked at nonprofit theatres (currently doing a show at one right now) and they do NOT charge people, in fact they actually pay people (stipend). And I have met plenty of friends for life (including my husband) there. They also put on childrens shows and the kids love it. As a non-profit theatre you rely on money for sets, costumes, etc...through donations, grants, etc...I know you think I'm wrong, but if you are being asked to pay for a role, then you are being scammed. If I were a parent I would tell/teach my kid that you can't buy your way in, you have to earn it. You better believe if I had to pay $70 for a role, I would be choosing the role I want to play.|
| || This probably should be moved to the forum by aariel|
| When did CCT start charging for roles? I did a show, there, a few years ago and was never asked to pay. In fact, we were supposed to get a portion of the box office. Jason made a good point: No one is attacking anyone FOR paying. It's just that's one of the first rules you learn when you start working professionally...you don't pay to work, they pay you. I work for a non-profit theatre (most theatres are)doing accounting as well as being a local actor and most non-profits cover their running expenses through grants, donations and sponsorship. So, it seems despicable to me to charge your actors to work because you haven't done your legwork to raise money for your season. I apologize if that seems harsh, but having worked in the business on both ends, for years, I couldn't help replying to these posts. Sorry if I offend.|
| || To RzAlexander: aka Duffy by Molly|
| I think that all of the orphans were one of the most positive aspects of this show. Other than Molly and Annie, I don't really remember which of you were which. But collectively, you were all very good in your acting, vocals, and stage presence. Although the vocals of the orphans don't need to sound pretty, it is still quite hard to belt as high as the music is written, so good job! I can't say it enough (and I know I already have over and over in my comments), vocal training, I believe, is critical if you plan to continue in musical theatre. I'm not saying that you need it because you(the orphans)sounded bad; you didn't. I'm just saying that belting that high without proper training can potentially damage your voice, so if you're not already, try to get some good training so that you don't end up screaming rather than singing as some other performers in this show did.|
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